1 00:00:04,230 --> 00:00:11,290 [Music] 2 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:14,330 so hi I'm Zoe havlina I am a PhD 3 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:16,619 candidate from New Mexico Tech 4 00:00:20,450 --> 00:00:18,000 um and I would like to just jump right 5 00:00:21,310 --> 00:00:20,460 in and introduce my field site for this 6 00:00:25,310 --> 00:00:21,320 project 7 00:00:27,230 --> 00:00:25,320 which are two cave systems located in 8 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:27,240 central Italy so pictured here they're 9 00:00:31,370 --> 00:00:28,380 very pretty 10 00:00:32,930 --> 00:00:31,380 and what I can hopefully show you 11 00:00:35,510 --> 00:00:32,940 um I'm going to take us on a quick field 12 00:00:37,910 --> 00:00:35,520 trip there is why these are potentially 13 00:00:41,810 --> 00:00:37,920 very compelling sites for astrobiology 14 00:00:45,530 --> 00:00:41,820 or for geomicrobiologists such as myself 15 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:45,540 and so these caves form through a 16 00:00:50,810 --> 00:00:47,760 somewhat rare mechanism which is known 17 00:00:53,330 --> 00:00:50,820 as sulfuric acid speliogenesis so this 18 00:00:56,930 --> 00:00:53,340 is a cave building process that's seen 19 00:00:58,790 --> 00:00:56,940 only in a handful of caves worldwide and 20 00:01:00,889 --> 00:00:58,800 only only a fraction of those can we 21 00:01:03,770 --> 00:01:00,899 actually access those caves and see this 22 00:01:05,570 --> 00:01:03,780 process actively happening today and so 23 00:01:07,070 --> 00:01:05,580 that's what I'm showing you here so 24 00:01:09,050 --> 00:01:07,080 these are all images from one of my 25 00:01:09,890 --> 00:01:09,060 field sites which is a Versace cave 26 00:01:12,109 --> 00:01:09,900 system 27 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:12,119 and what you're looking at in this image 28 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:14,460 here on the left this is a stream this 29 00:01:19,190 --> 00:01:17,280 is the groundwater level of the cave and 30 00:01:21,410 --> 00:01:19,200 it's enriched in hydrogen sulfide and 31 00:01:23,210 --> 00:01:21,420 this hydrogen sulfide degases where 32 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:23,220 there's voids in the host Rock of the 33 00:01:29,330 --> 00:01:26,520 cave and this hydrogen sulfide fuels 34 00:01:31,310 --> 00:01:29,340 very a robust microbial communities that 35 00:01:33,289 --> 00:01:31,320 are thriving off of the energy in this 36 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:33,299 otherwise very leukotrophic environment 37 00:01:38,749 --> 00:01:36,060 and this is seen kind of conspicuously 38 00:01:42,530 --> 00:01:38,759 in the forms of these charismatically 39 00:01:44,929 --> 00:01:42,540 named snodite biofilms which proliferate 40 00:01:46,310 --> 00:01:44,939 in these areas of the cave here's 41 00:01:48,289 --> 00:01:46,320 another picture of what they look like 42 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:48,299 and we also sometimes see if you can see 43 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:51,360 the yellow dots native sulfur that can 44 00:01:56,170 --> 00:01:53,520 precipitate in these areas as well 45 00:01:58,550 --> 00:01:56,180 and these are primarily composed of 46 00:02:01,069 --> 00:01:58,560 citythial bacillus which is a sulfur 47 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:01,079 oxidizing bacteria but what I'm 48 00:02:06,289 --> 00:02:03,119 interested in for the context of my 49 00:02:07,609 --> 00:02:06,299 project are all of these white I don't 50 00:02:10,729 --> 00:02:07,619 know if you can see my pointer here 51 00:02:12,830 --> 00:02:10,739 these white clumpy minerals here and 52 00:02:15,650 --> 00:02:12,840 this is actually microcrystalline gypsum 53 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:15,660 this precipitates in part kind of as a 54 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:17,520 consequence of this microbial activity 55 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:19,920 because the sulfur oxidizers are 56 00:02:24,830 --> 00:02:21,900 producing sulfuric acid which is 57 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:24,840 obviously highly corrosive when you have 58 00:02:29,809 --> 00:02:27,480 a carbonate host Rock and so this gypsum 59 00:02:33,170 --> 00:02:29,819 is precipitating as a replacement as 60 00:02:36,890 --> 00:02:33,180 this host Rockets corroded 61 00:02:40,130 --> 00:02:36,900 and it's highly acidic so pH is usually 62 00:02:42,170 --> 00:02:40,140 zero to one and what happens is that 63 00:02:44,930 --> 00:02:42,180 this gypsum can build up in these cave 64 00:02:46,670 --> 00:02:44,940 systems and remain there essentially as 65 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:46,680 long as you don't have any Waters that 66 00:02:50,390 --> 00:02:48,360 come in and wash it away and so that's 67 00:02:52,190 --> 00:02:50,400 what I'm showing on this image on the 68 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:52,200 far right here this is one of these like 69 00:02:57,770 --> 00:02:55,200 massive gypsum deposits that exists in a 70 00:02:59,690 --> 00:02:57,780 part of the Versace cave that hasn't 71 00:03:02,270 --> 00:02:59,700 been exposed to this active sulfide 72 00:03:04,070 --> 00:03:02,280 degassing for maybe a hundred to two 73 00:03:07,910 --> 00:03:04,080 hundred thousand years 74 00:03:10,430 --> 00:03:07,920 and so we see sulfates and gypsum on 75 00:03:12,890 --> 00:03:10,440 other locations notably the surface of 76 00:03:14,949 --> 00:03:12,900 Mars so I'm showing you data here as it 77 00:03:17,509 --> 00:03:14,959 relates to the Gale crater 78 00:03:20,570 --> 00:03:17,519 and there's some evidence or some 79 00:03:22,490 --> 00:03:20,580 thinking that this sulfates could have 80 00:03:25,369 --> 00:03:22,500 also precipitated under acidic 81 00:03:26,930 --> 00:03:25,379 conditions so potentially these are 82 00:03:29,089 --> 00:03:26,940 thought of as 83 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:29,099 places where we might look for for 84 00:03:34,369 --> 00:03:32,040 evidence of life and on the Earth's 85 00:03:35,869 --> 00:03:34,379 surface the analogs that we have there 86 00:03:37,309 --> 00:03:35,879 are several and these have been well 87 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:37,319 studied by other teams of 88 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:40,920 astrobiologists but what is novel um or 89 00:03:46,490 --> 00:03:42,720 the argument I'm making for these caves 90 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:46,500 is that this is an ecosystem that as I 91 00:03:51,170 --> 00:03:48,540 just showed you is fueled by chemo litho 92 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:51,180 autotrophy so these kind of alternative 93 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:53,400 Lifestyles and so potentially studying 94 00:03:57,970 --> 00:03:56,340 the gypsum and its ability to preserve 95 00:04:01,070 --> 00:03:57,980 or not preserve 96 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:01,080 biosignatures is is kind of a novel 97 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:03,900 aspect and gets away from surface world 98 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:05,760 where we sometimes see the signatures 99 00:04:10,429 --> 00:04:08,040 mostly of things that are photosynthetic 100 00:04:12,289 --> 00:04:10,439 and so in the context of this talk when 101 00:04:14,149 --> 00:04:12,299 I'm talking about life detection or I'm 102 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:14,159 talking about signatures I'm talking 103 00:04:19,009 --> 00:04:16,919 about lipid biomarkers specifically and 104 00:04:20,270 --> 00:04:19,019 so what I'm showing you here are some 105 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:20,280 types of these they were kind of 106 00:04:24,650 --> 00:04:22,560 explained earlier these ones on the left 107 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:24,660 which are those hopenoids so these are 108 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:27,120 produced by bacteria and these can be 109 00:04:31,870 --> 00:04:29,880 functionalized and then they have this 110 00:04:35,270 --> 00:04:31,880 very recalcitrant 111 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:35,280 backbone structure this hoping that is 112 00:04:39,590 --> 00:04:37,500 this diagenetic structure that can 113 00:04:41,930 --> 00:04:39,600 persist in some terrestrial environments 114 00:04:44,469 --> 00:04:41,940 for potentially millions of years and 115 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:44,479 then on the right these are 116 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:47,040 gdgts from archaea so kind of a similar 117 00:04:52,370 --> 00:04:50,400 lipid biomarker and the these specific 118 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:52,380 structures that I'm showing you are ones 119 00:04:57,710 --> 00:04:54,720 that have been classified from those 120 00:04:59,210 --> 00:04:57,720 snodite biofilms that I showed you in 121 00:05:01,430 --> 00:04:59,220 their earlier image 122 00:05:03,890 --> 00:05:01,440 and so knowing what we already know 123 00:05:06,409 --> 00:05:03,900 about these cave systems which is that 124 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:06,419 we have gypsum that is precipitating in 125 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:08,940 in very close association with microbial 126 00:05:14,749 --> 00:05:12,060 activity that's kind of these microbes 127 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:14,759 that are using an alternative lifestyle 128 00:05:19,610 --> 00:05:17,400 and we know that some of these organisms 129 00:05:21,290 --> 00:05:19,620 like that aciditythyl bacillus are 130 00:05:24,710 --> 00:05:21,300 capable of producing these lipid 131 00:05:27,890 --> 00:05:24,720 biomarkers and this gypsum is kicking 132 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:27,900 around in this cave for a little bit of 133 00:05:32,689 --> 00:05:30,600 time we sort of used what we know to 134 00:05:34,010 --> 00:05:32,699 form these questions about things that 135 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:34,020 we don't know 136 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:36,000 um we don't actually know or going into 137 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:38,220 the study no one had ever looked at what 138 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:40,560 microbes are colonizing the surface of 139 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:42,060 the gypsum itself 140 00:05:47,810 --> 00:05:44,280 and we don't know if those organisms 141 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:47,820 produce their own lipid biomarker Suite 142 00:05:52,430 --> 00:05:50,160 if we'll be able to characterize that or 143 00:05:55,189 --> 00:05:52,440 detect it in the gypsum at all and then 144 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:55,199 if we do does that persist in this 145 00:06:00,650 --> 00:05:57,600 gypsum that has been existing in this 146 00:06:03,409 --> 00:06:00,660 cave for a longer period of time 147 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:03,419 and so I won't go into the Weeds on 148 00:06:07,249 --> 00:06:05,280 these methods here but I just want to 149 00:06:09,230 --> 00:06:07,259 highlight that we're using kind of a few 150 00:06:11,570 --> 00:06:09,240 different approaches to answer some of 151 00:06:13,749 --> 00:06:11,580 these questions so using some sort of 152 00:06:16,490 --> 00:06:13,759 classic molecular biology techniques 153 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,500 amplicon sequencing and metagenomics to 154 00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:18,240 characterize those microbial communities 155 00:06:23,510 --> 00:06:21,000 and then using some organic geochemical 156 00:06:25,730 --> 00:06:23,520 techniques to try to characterize those 157 00:06:28,730 --> 00:06:25,740 lipid biomarkers 158 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:28,740 and so some of the data that I've had 159 00:06:34,129 --> 00:06:31,500 um is that these gypsum surfaces are in 160 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:34,139 fact colonized by microbes and so what 161 00:06:38,510 --> 00:06:36,000 I'm showing you here is amplicon 162 00:06:41,330 --> 00:06:38,520 sequencing data so that's 16sr in our 163 00:06:43,850 --> 00:06:41,340 sequencing that tells us who's there 164 00:06:45,590 --> 00:06:43,860 and what I want you to take away from 165 00:06:48,110 --> 00:06:45,600 this graph is that I'm plotting two 166 00:06:50,390 --> 00:06:48,120 things here on the left to this access 167 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:50,400 and the blue dots is showing the percent 168 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:52,620 of that acid ethyl bacillus so that's 169 00:06:57,950 --> 00:06:55,620 that main sulfur at oxidizing bacteria 170 00:07:00,110 --> 00:06:57,960 that we see in those snodite biofilms 171 00:07:02,450 --> 00:07:00,120 and then on the right I'm showing in 172 00:07:05,150 --> 00:07:02,460 this orange I'm showing you the overall 173 00:07:07,730 --> 00:07:05,160 diversity of these samples and so all of 174 00:07:10,370 --> 00:07:07,740 these dots are gypsum samples that we're 175 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:10,380 taking at kind of varying distances from 176 00:07:14,270 --> 00:07:12,960 that active lead degassing sulfate 177 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:14,280 extreme 178 00:07:19,550 --> 00:07:17,880 and just a reminder so these biofilms 179 00:07:22,189 --> 00:07:19,560 that have been previously characterized 180 00:07:24,290 --> 00:07:22,199 are around 70 percent of citythal 181 00:07:27,290 --> 00:07:24,300 bacillus and so the main takeaway is 182 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:27,300 that are samples of gypsum are far more 183 00:07:31,249 --> 00:07:29,460 diverse than that you know even at this 184 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:31,259 kind of like best case scenario where 185 00:07:35,749 --> 00:07:33,240 we're the closest to the sulfate extreme 186 00:07:38,689 --> 00:07:35,759 we're really not seeing anywhere near 70 187 00:07:40,969 --> 00:07:38,699 percent of city-thal bacillus and so 188 00:07:43,010 --> 00:07:40,979 this is data from that other cave that 189 00:07:44,749 --> 00:07:43,020 I've studied and I don't have that nice 190 00:07:46,370 --> 00:07:44,759 distance gradient but again it's 191 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:46,380 plotting the same things and I've just 192 00:07:50,150 --> 00:07:48,060 kind of broadly lumped these samples 193 00:07:53,210 --> 00:07:50,160 together in terms of like high level of 194 00:07:55,730 --> 00:07:53,220 sulfide medium level lower levels and 195 00:07:58,490 --> 00:07:55,740 again we see a similar Trend we also see 196 00:08:00,589 --> 00:07:58,500 low levels of acetyl bacillus and in 197 00:08:03,290 --> 00:08:00,599 fact we see a heck of a lot of archaea 198 00:08:05,210 --> 00:08:03,300 too so some of these samples were almost 199 00:08:07,610 --> 00:08:05,220 entirely archaea 200 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:07,620 and why I talk about acetyl bacillus and 201 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:09,120 I talk about the diversity of these 202 00:08:13,730 --> 00:08:11,580 samples is that you know we know acetyl 203 00:08:16,969 --> 00:08:13,740 bacillus is capable of producing lipid 204 00:08:19,189 --> 00:08:16,979 biomarkers but it's one of the bacteria 205 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:19,199 that can and in fact a lot of them can't 206 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:21,240 and so this potentially has implications 207 00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:24,479 when we think about you know are there 208 00:08:28,369 --> 00:08:26,400 things that is in this gypsum that is 209 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:28,379 producing lipid biomarkers or aren't 210 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:29,400 there 211 00:08:35,389 --> 00:08:32,419 and we can kind of get at this um 212 00:08:37,370 --> 00:08:35,399 indirectly through metagenomics and so 213 00:08:38,930 --> 00:08:37,380 again metagenomics is looking at all of 214 00:08:41,570 --> 00:08:38,940 the genes that are present in a 215 00:08:43,790 --> 00:08:41,580 particular environmental sample and so 216 00:08:45,470 --> 00:08:43,800 far I have only reconstructed a single 217 00:08:48,590 --> 00:08:45,480 metagenome and this is from a native 218 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:48,600 sulfur deposit but I did do some Gene 219 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:49,980 searching and I was looking for this 220 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:52,500 squaly and hoping cyclase Gene which 221 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:54,540 forms a critical precursor to making 222 00:08:59,750 --> 00:08:57,180 those hopenoid lipid biomarkers and I 223 00:09:01,970 --> 00:08:59,760 did find some copies of that but again I 224 00:09:04,370 --> 00:09:01,980 also found a ton of archaea and two of 225 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:04,380 the high quality bins that I was able to 226 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:07,440 assemble were these two kind of Novel 227 00:09:11,690 --> 00:09:09,120 archaea that have potentially an 228 00:09:13,310 --> 00:09:11,700 interesting symbiotic relationship and I 229 00:09:15,530 --> 00:09:13,320 would love to talk about that more but 230 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:15,540 that's kind of a whole other talk so I'm 231 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:16,980 just going to leave it at that with this 232 00:09:20,630 --> 00:09:19,680 complicated figure here on the right 233 00:09:23,810 --> 00:09:20,640 um 234 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:23,820 so it you might be guessing or kind of 235 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:25,860 wondering why I've only gotten one 236 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:28,620 metagenome so far and really it's 237 00:09:33,769 --> 00:09:30,720 because the overall biomass in these 238 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:33,779 gypsum samples is very low and so what 239 00:09:38,509 --> 00:09:36,300 I'm showing you in this picture here so 240 00:09:41,389 --> 00:09:38,519 this is microscopy this is dappy 241 00:09:44,030 --> 00:09:41,399 staining so looking at cells and so you 242 00:09:47,389 --> 00:09:44,040 see hopefully you can see just a few 243 00:09:50,030 --> 00:09:47,399 blue dots those are cells and on the 244 00:09:52,670 --> 00:09:50,040 right this is showing them sitting in a 245 00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:52,680 in a bathtub full of gypsum micro 246 00:09:57,710 --> 00:09:54,959 crystals and so when you just kind of 247 00:10:00,410 --> 00:09:57,720 contextualize this low number of cells 248 00:10:02,210 --> 00:10:00,420 in in the vast array of all of these 249 00:10:04,250 --> 00:10:02,220 minerals 250 00:10:05,930 --> 00:10:04,260 there's not a whole lot going on and in 251 00:10:08,389 --> 00:10:05,940 fact some of our preliminary total 252 00:10:11,090 --> 00:10:08,399 organic carbon measurements are less 253 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:11,100 than one percent or even a fraction of a 254 00:10:16,070 --> 00:10:13,800 percent and so 255 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:16,080 that all leads to kind of some 256 00:10:19,730 --> 00:10:17,640 complications with trying to actually 257 00:10:22,009 --> 00:10:19,740 extract some of these lipid biomarkers 258 00:10:24,530 --> 00:10:22,019 and so this side of the project is still 259 00:10:26,750 --> 00:10:24,540 an active protocol development we 260 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:26,760 haven't seen anything yet 261 00:10:31,070 --> 00:10:28,380 um and so we've had to kind of scale up 262 00:10:33,829 --> 00:10:31,080 our extraction we're hoping to extract a 263 00:10:35,269 --> 00:10:33,839 lot more gypsum and and I'm hoping that 264 00:10:37,550 --> 00:10:35,279 that's something I'll be able to talk 265 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:37,560 about more in the future but I just want 266 00:10:42,829 --> 00:10:39,480 to return to sort of The Guiding 267 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:42,839 question of this of this study which is 268 00:10:46,850 --> 00:10:45,360 you know looking at these 269 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:46,860 very 270 00:10:52,550 --> 00:10:49,860 um interesting microbial Dynamics the 271 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:52,560 way that the stripsum is formed we see a 272 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:55,440 lot of we see biofilms existing where 273 00:10:58,670 --> 00:10:57,720 where the gypsum is forming but we don't 274 00:11:01,310 --> 00:10:58,680 know 275 00:11:03,769 --> 00:11:01,320 if there's biomarkers that are preserved 276 00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:03,779 or not and I have to leave that question 277 00:11:08,090 --> 00:11:06,120 open at this time 278 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:08,100 um but hopefully I can answer it in the 279 00:11:11,329 --> 00:11:08,880 future 280 00:11:13,069 --> 00:11:11,339 so I think I will just leave off there 281 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:13,079 and 282 00:11:17,630 --> 00:11:15,060 um I wouldn't be able to do this work 283 00:11:20,329 --> 00:11:17,640 without I have a lot of very fantastic 284 00:11:21,889 --> 00:11:20,339 collaborators and funding sources and I 285 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:21,899 would especially like to thank all the 286 00:11:27,889 --> 00:11:24,180 folks at the astrobiology analytical 287 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:27,899 laboratory at Goddard and I think that I 288 00:11:32,269 --> 00:11:29,640 have some time for questions so thank 289 00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:34,900 foreign 290 00:11:55,850 --> 00:11:53,090 hey I'm bunny Chase I'm from the jet 291 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:55,860 propulsion laboratory I really love this 292 00:11:59,210 --> 00:11:57,660 question you're asking and like the way 293 00:12:00,590 --> 00:11:59,220 that you're trying to attack it and I 294 00:12:03,829 --> 00:12:00,600 was wondering 295 00:12:06,829 --> 00:12:03,839 a lot of the lipid biomarkers that you 296 00:12:08,630 --> 00:12:06,839 talked about looking for they as you 297 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:08,640 said can be preserved for a few millions 298 00:12:12,829 --> 00:12:10,920 of years but what about the more stable 299 00:12:14,870 --> 00:12:12,839 versions like looking for her pains 300 00:12:17,569 --> 00:12:14,880 rather than hope Knowles are you also 301 00:12:18,530 --> 00:12:17,579 looking for those yeah yeah we are I 302 00:12:20,509 --> 00:12:18,540 didn't really 303 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:20,519 explain that super well but we are 304 00:12:26,870 --> 00:12:22,560 hoping to look for helping hoping to 305 00:12:30,290 --> 00:12:26,880 look for Hope pains as well yeah 306 00:12:32,269 --> 00:12:30,300 um what do you think like the Pres 307 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:32,279 the precious in this cave would be for 308 00:12:38,150 --> 00:12:34,680 the molecules and how similar is that to 309 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:38,160 Mars yeah I think that that is kind of 310 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:40,800 the key question for sure 311 00:12:48,650 --> 00:12:45,670 I don't know if that's something that I 312 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:48,660 want to dive into right now but I think 313 00:12:51,769 --> 00:12:50,040 we should talk about it later for sure 314 00:12:52,910 --> 00:12:51,779 I'm curious to hear your thoughts on it 315 00:12:55,009 --> 00:12:52,920 as well 316 00:12:59,150 --> 00:12:55,019 um obviously this is a oxidizing 317 00:13:02,150 --> 00:12:59,160 environment it's it's acidic it's wet so 318 00:13:04,190 --> 00:13:02,160 it has a lot that could maybe not be 319 00:13:05,569 --> 00:13:04,200 preserving things but 320 00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:05,579 um you know certainly folks have done 321 00:13:11,210 --> 00:13:08,000 similar research and and have found 322 00:13:13,370 --> 00:13:11,220 biomarkers in in Gypsum and other 323 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:13,380 environments on Earth so 324 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:23,389 any last questions for Zoe 325 00:13:30,769 --> 00:13:25,200 okay thank you so much oh wait there's 326 00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:32,329 hey so I have a question about the 327 00:13:36,829 --> 00:13:34,320 microcrystalline nature of that gypsum 328 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:36,839 so what do you think that might what's 329 00:13:41,210 --> 00:13:39,120 your hypothesis for structurally how 330 00:13:42,650 --> 00:13:41,220 that might affect preservation of Bio 331 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:42,660 signatures as opposed to other kinds of 332 00:13:47,629 --> 00:13:44,100 gypsum that might happen on the surface 333 00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:47,639 yeah I think that's a really question 334 00:13:52,009 --> 00:13:49,500 um 335 00:13:53,389 --> 00:13:52,019 I guess you know off the top of my head 336 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:53,399 I would say that 337 00:13:57,410 --> 00:13:55,200 I don't know if we're gonna get it like 338 00:13:58,970 --> 00:13:57,420 doesn't really layer I think necessarily 339 00:14:01,009 --> 00:13:58,980 in the way that we see in like 340 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:01,019 evaporated gypsum 341 00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:03,120 um how that may or may not you know 342 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:05,519 factor into biosignature preservation I 343 00:14:08,509 --> 00:14:07,200 don't I can't really speak to that but 344 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:08,519 it is I think it's definitely a really 345 00:14:12,530 --> 00:14:10,920 interesting difference 346 00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:12,540 um that we see in the strips on for sure 347 00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:13,680 and it's like 348 00:14:18,050 --> 00:14:16,560 it's I didn't really show any of the 349 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:18,060 like there's that one picture that I 350 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:20,100 showed of the gypsum but it's it's crazy 351 00:14:23,870 --> 00:14:22,560 it's like you know we call it Rock in 352 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:23,880 name only 353 00:14:27,889 --> 00:14:26,100 um it's it's like goo 354 00:14:29,690 --> 00:14:27,899 um you go to sample it and it's almost 355 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:29,700 like a non-Newtonian fluid it like just 356 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:31,260 kind of like oozes 357 00:14:36,350 --> 00:14:34,800 um which is super wild and and it's kind 358 00:14:40,009 --> 00:14:36,360 of difficult to work with to be honest